A couple weeks ago I interviewed Robert Schneider and he mentioned this band he's been working with called the Ideal Free Distribution. And I had no idea what he was talking about so I put the band's name in bold and left it at that. Turns out they deserve a lot more respect.






The April issue of SPIN Magazine features a two-page spread on the Elephant 6 collective, using Olivia Tremor Control's reunion tour as a springboard for a retrospective of Elephant 6's origins, rise, and subsequent decline. Highlights include:
-the revelation that Jeff Mangum is married and was last seen living in Quebec
-a brief quote from the very Neutral Milk Hotel leader
-an admiring quote from Michael Stipe
-thoughts on Olivia Tremor Control's reunion from Will Cullen Hart
-the author's curious decision that the Music Tapes are "mostly active" but the Minders, who have a new album due out in July, are "mostly inactive"
Some other interesting things: diehard fans will be pleased that the author cites Of Montreal's Gay Parade as "essential," but Apples in Stereo fans--long locked in the battle of which is superior, Fun Trick Noisemaker or The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone--may be surprised to see that the answer is Tone Soul Evolution. Hey, it is underrated, come to think of it.
It's the April issue of SPIN, the one with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs on the cover, and it's on newsstands now.





1) So what have you accomplished this last week or two? (I hope that doesn’t sound condescending. I’m just curious.)
3) In the realm of side-projects, is Ulysses still an active entity, and what exactly is The American Revolution?
5) What does Pet Sounds look like now, compared to the old studio?
5) Barbara Walters-style personal, probing question: Your MySpace blog mentions that you recently tried to quit smoking; how's that going?
1) Why did you decide to turn the Marshmallow Coast into the M Coast?
4) Pitchfork recently posted a long list of "bad" album covers, and a number of your fans took umbrage when Ride the Lightning made the list. Please vent.
Great Lakes has hit its tenth anniversary. The band--Ben Crum and Dan Donahue--formed in 1996 in Athens, although Ben and Dan had known each other since high school. As a trio (with Jamey Huggins from Of Montreal), they released a self-titled first album during Kindercore's peak period, an album that still stands out as one of the most distinguished in that label's catalog, an addictive selection of psychedelic pop songs that flow together cohesively. Their sophomore album (released on Orange Twin around the time of Kindercore's collapse), The Distance Between, collected singles, rarities, and cover songs, and has a greater emphasis on rock, notably on the energetic "Sister City" and the extended jam that closes the album, "Conquistadors." The band has since relocated to Brooklyn, and are about to release an eagerly-anticipated third album, Diamond Times. Ben Crum agreed to answer 6 questions about the new album, his creative relationship with Dan, and an aloof painting.
1) All I know about your new album is that Empyrean is releasing it this year. I'm curious who appears on the record and how the music compares with your previous work.
These people appear on the new album: Dottie Alexander, Jeff Baron, Kevin Barnes, Tim Barnes, Dave Carey, Matt Crowe, Anne Cunningham, BP Helium, Jamey Huggins, Jay Israelson, Heather McIntosh, Gary Olson, Brian Slattery, Matt Stoessel, Jeff Winesett, and Chris Ziter.
The main difference in "who played what" with this album is that Jeff Baron played probably 2/3 of the lead guitar on the record. In the past that would have been pretty much 99% me. I like his playing a lot and I think it gives the record a more "accomplished" sound.
But as to how the record sounds stylistically--with the first record I was going for something more 60s pop and more psychedelic, but with this one I tried to make it more organic and natural sounding. Or, I didn't so much try as it was just a natural thing for me.
2) Can you describe how you and Dan became involved with Elephant 6, and your thoughts on the collective in general?
Well, we were living in Athens, in the midst of all that stuff. And we just fell in with that. It fit with what we were doing and we were influenced by it at the same time. It was hard not to be. Plus Robert Schneider helped mix our first record, and he was a big proponent of having us "on the team" or whatever. But I don't think Great Lakes has ever been considered a true Elephant 6 band by your average die-hard Elephant 6 fan, or even by those of us in the band.
3) How does your collaboration with Dan work? On your last album, he's credited for the lyrics, while you have lead vocals, so I'm wondering how clear-cut are the boundaries when you're assembling the music.
Well, Dan is purely a lyricist. He doesn't really write or play music, or sing. We're both 32 now, and we've been writing songs together since we were 16. Half our lives. He writes lyrics and I put them to music. Sometimes I'll bring him a piece of music and he'll write lyrics for it, or vice versa. But these days we'll hang out and he'll show me some lyrics he's come up with and I'll try to put them to music on the spot, with him there. We've realized over the years that that tends to work best for us. That way we can communicate during the process. I don't necessarily like to talk to him too much about what the lyrics "mean." Or what he means by them. I find it's better for me to sing them from a personal interpretation. That way it means something for him, for me, and for the listener--which may all be the same, or may be totally different.
4) How long do you work on a song before you know it's finished?
I feel like the music I write that I like the most usually comes really fast. And a lot of times the lyrics too. But, also, there have been many times when Dan was revising and editing right up to the moment when I recorded the vocal. So it varies.
5) "Virgl" is one of my favorite Great Lakes songs, so indulge me. I remember on the old Kindercore website there was an actual Virgl painting shown, which the song describes perfectly. Which came first, and can you talk about the origins of the song, if not the production, which seems pretty elaborate?
Dan bought that painting at a flea market and we all just flipped out about it. It hung in our house on Ruth Street for a long time. That song is the one Great Lakes song which Jamey Huggins wrote the music for. He and Dan collaborated on the lyrics. I think Jamey had been working on that music for a long time, stringing all the parts together. He was always writing these long, epic pieces of music, and he never really finished them or made real recordings of a lot of them. I'm glad we got this one down, though. Production-wise, that was done right at the end of the first album. I'd been using a TASCAM 38 8-track, but towards the end of recording the first album we added a beautiful-sounding TEAC 40-4 reel-to-reel 4-track to the studio. By the time we were recording "Virgl" we'd gotten pretty good at experimenting with compression and with hitting the tape at certain levels to get certain sounds during the submixing process. I think it shows in that recording.
6) The Distance Between has a number of cover songs, which span a wide variety of music; is this a fair glimpse of your influences? Certainly the band reminds me of the Zombies.
Yeah, there are three covers on there. I just recorded some songs I liked because Dan and I weren't writing a lot of songs at that time. I guess they do say something about our influences. The Bee Gees I like a lot. I've always liked the Linda Ronstadt version of that Michael Nesmith song ["Some of Shelley's Blues"]. And, yes, the Zombies were definitely a big influence. But my biggest influence is probably The Band. I'm not sure you always hear it in the music, but it's there. It's mostly a feel thing.
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Diamond Times is tentatively set for release this summer from Empyrean Records. You can listen to songs from the album now by visiting the Great Lakes MySpace page.
Upcoming Shows
Mar 18 2006, 8:00PM
The Hideout
Austin, TX
Apr 15 2006, 8:00PM
Tonic
New York, NY
Our dear Mr. lou2ser at the E6Townhall has dug up some really cool artifacts from last year's Olivia Tremor Control reunion--brief .AVI clips of the band performing at the 40 Watt, first in a soundcheck, then, raucously, before a tightly-packed audience. Though brief clips, they do provide a good glimpse of how much fun the shows were to attend. (I'm glad we get to see Julian bouncing around a lot.) He found these stored at an old and abandoned Elephant 6 website, and we thank him heartily for the detective work.

In 1993 Bill Doss put out a cassette on the Elephant 6 label (in other words, by himself) entitled A Spiraling World of Pop, and credited to A Sunshine Fix. One of the songs, "Love Athena," became the first song on the Olivia Tremor Control's debut 7", California Demise, which also featured a Doss song called "A Sunshine Fix." This seems to signal that his solo project had not only gone dormant, but had folded into the Olivia Tremor Control, and it wasn't until after Black Foliage that he began to sell copies of a new single under the Sunshine Fix moniker--on the Olivia Tremor Control's "farewell" tour. That single contained two countrified songs, "Last Night I Had a Dream" and "Beaconary Word," that didn't quite fit into OTC's template, although the other Olivias appeared on the single: Will Cullen Hart, for instance, is given credit for providing the "barnyard electronique." A couple of the songs Bill Doss played with OTC on this final (for the time being) tour resurfaced on the Sunshine Fix's first album proper, Age of the Sun. (To hear them as live OTC performances, visit the MP3 section of elephant6.com.)
But the cassette, like so many early Elephant 6 releases, was never officially released, and for a long time only circulated among friends in Athens. I acquired a copy through an online auction last year, turned it into MP3s, and shared it on a gmail account with those in the E6 Townhall. I'm sure it's been pretty well disseminated since then, but now that Optical Atlas is up, the tracks can find a permanent home here. You'll find them below.
Side Two
a. Learn
b. Temptation
c. Turtle Song
d. Superman Suit [incomplete]
e. Leonard Upon Entering the Fish Market (Speaks of Apple Butter)

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2) At what stage is the M Coast album? (And are you still looking for a label?)
Kevin and I met shortly after I moved to Athens through these girls that we both knew in a band called Spackle. I sat in with their band on bass playing a Bikini Kill and a Minor Threat cover at a house party; Kevin saw it and asked me to play. We got together a few times, and then he ended up joining Elf Power briefly, playing his songs with them. A few months later we ran into each other at a convenience store and he asked if I knew how to play drums. I lied and said I did, and ran home to take a few lessons from my co-worker Carlton (M Coast drummer). So we got together with this guy Joel Evans on bass, Bryan Poole on guitar and me on drums and started rehearsing. A week before our first show Joel quit and Bryan moved to bass. So that was it for a few years. Bryan was more into Elf Power at the time, so the project at first was really just Kevin and I. It was fun to learn all this recording stuff, to do a lot of playing. It was my first real exposure and I was just into the idea of doing something musically. I always looked at it as kind of a music school, because the songs were challenging and I got to do a lot of varied things. As it went on Kevin got more into the theatrics, which I could care less for, and over time became really sick of. So here I am in all these bands doing so much stuff and one day I just realize that I'm at odds with the leader of one of the groups' vision. I've always considered myself a facilitator in other people's bands, I'm good at it. So it was just time to be done. Eight years is a long time to be in a band, the longest for me. They've really taken off since I left, and that makes sense; everybody's into the vision and they've worked hard on a well-laid foundation. I'm proud to have been a part of it.M Coast has launched a MySpace page with new tracks from the upcoming Say it in Slang. As soon as a label and release date are announced, we'll let you know.
Contact Derek if you're interested in hiring him to master your record.

My wife and I sat down to listen to the 2nd Imaginary Symphony on September 11, 2002, finally turning off the television after endless retrospectives that featured the same footage of planes crashing into the towers. The album begins with a little bit of singing saw, and a narrator--not Julian, but the sort who might narrate one of those old Walt Disney storybook records for children--tells us the story of a young boy named Nigh who follows a mysterious older friend to a factory that produces the clouds of the sky. Apart from the saw (which succumbs to a lovely crescendo in the finale), there's no singing, and no songs. But it's quintessential Music Tapes.
A little while after that we received a second package, a second CD-R, and two more tee shirts. Apparently Julian lost his first shipment list, found our letter, and send one tee shirt for my wife and myself, thinking we hadn't received the first one. I gave the CD-R to my brother-in-law as a birthday gift; I don't believe he ever listened to it. The tee shirts we haven't worn, and they're a bit wrinkled in these photos because for a couple years they've been tucked into a dresser. Now they're hanging up, and I'll have to iron them and take one out on the town when the weather gets warmer.
"Late August, corner of W. 80th St. and Amsterdam Avenue in New York City. 2000 and two. And old woman in a rain slicker is loading most of her belongings into a trunk on the street. Her belly is full of Hominy Grits. She learned the recipie from her Grandmother as a little girl. She still remembers drawing pictures with her bare Fingers in the Steam clouded windows accross from the stove. She still remembers fealing warm and Safe. How her grandfather could make a spoon float several feet in the air above her, without even lifting a finger. He seldome Spoke, and never Smiled. This parlor trick was the Sole means of Communication between them. I hope she doesn't mind me writing all of this down. She does Not know me, nor I, her. I am familliar only with the warmth that traveled A million human miles and took the care to visit her image upon me for even the briefest of Moments. She will load her trunk intoo the Caboose of a Great passenger train. She will fall in love with a man her own age. Together they will invent a methode of playing the piano that allows for the Storage and Compartmentalization of time. In this way they will begin the Capturing and preservation of indevidual moments. They will build themselves a Workshop in a functioning German Clock tower. They will begin with the preservation of random moments, and eventualy find themselves drawn mostly to moments of sentimentality. The Old Woman sits and blows on her fingers. It's winter. Her hands are cold. She Plays a moment from her childhood. A windy day, the Sun filters through the clouds. It's 1920. There is a great wind, and the mustache of a distinguished gentleman is blown clear off his face. The moustache, a trimmed handlebar, takes flight, Flapping through the air in a birdlike fashion. It is soon joined by the moustaches of Several other men. The wind blows and blows. The moustaches, now numbering in the thousands, migrate Southward for the winter. The old woman stops playing. The Old man walks over to her and Smiles. They love each other dearly. In time they will run out of moments of their own sentimentality to distill and preserve. And so they will begin to detail yours. At 1st you will apear to them in dreams. Only when you wear this Shirt. They will coment on their common dreams, and begin to compare notes. In their dreams they will always try to read this Shirt. They will never succede. My Writing is too small and illegeible. My spelling to difficult to decode. They will grow fond of you, and look forwards always to the next time you put on the Shirt. They will share with you your moments of sentimentality. Play them over and over again on their Piano. In time you will come to feal them....and Never again will you feal alone."
From the Dressy Bessy MySpace page come these spring tour dates.Dressy Bessy defeats Coldplay in one round on NPR's Fresh Air







What started as a MySpace page for Elephant 6 news just a few days ago is now its own blog. Not that it was very popular or anything. But now that we're breathing free of the constraints of Rupert Murdoch (unless he owns this too, which he probably does), here's what you can look forward to:I have no idea what “and much more” could possibly entail, but it sounds enticing, doesn’t it?
For those unfamiliar with Elephant 6, briefly: it's a collective of musicians initially spawned from Ruston, Louisiana, but now primarily based around Athens, Georgia, inspired by the psychedelic creativity and spirit of music of the late 60's (though bands from the 60's hardly form the sole inspiration for this diverse collection of artists). Robert Schneider (The Apples in Stereo), Bill Doss and Will Cullen Hart (The Olivia Tremor Control), and Jeff Mangum (Neutral Milk Hotel) are generally considered the founders of the movement, using a logo designed by Hart to stamp the backs of their self-released cassettes and records: The Elephant 6 Recording Company. As other musicians of a like mindset collaborated with them, a genuine movement was born. Surrounding the Apples, the Olivias, and Neutral Milk Hotel were bands such as Elf Power, the Gerbils, and Secret Square, and eventually Of Montreal, The Minders (out of Portland), Beulah (San Francisco), and The Essex Green (Brooklyn).
While "Elephant 6" is less concrete than it's ever been (I believe the last release to feature the logo was the Gerbils' Battle of Electricity in 2001, and there's never been much of an "Elephant 6 Recording Company" proper), the term is still actively in use, and happily promoted by many of the musicians. Robert Schneider still copyrights his songs to this mythical recording company--although probably more out of consistency's sake than anything else--and critics and fans use it as an easy shorthand. Which it can be, provided one understands there's a great range to the styles of music in the bands considered Elephant 6, and a wide berth between, say, Neutral Milk Hotel's In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, and The Minders' Hooray for Tuesday, both of which were recorded concurrently in Mr. Schneider's old "Pet Sounds" studio in Denver...which is now in Lexington, KY...or where he happens to be. So don't be reductive. Elephant 6 can be as big as your imagination.
For a more precise history of Elephant 6, please refer to the excellent website Elephant6.com, a valuable resource this site will not attempt to replace. Another superb source is Kim Cooper's book In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, part of the 33 1/3 series that examines important rock albums. Cooper's book, though focusing on Neutral Milk Hotel, also provides the most detailed history of Elephant 6's origins yet.
Optical Atlas was really launched as a supplement to the Elephant 6-related messageboards at E6 Townhall. To browse this blog will often just be a way to grab a shortcut to those posts at the Townhall that provide news about our favorite bands, their albums, and their tours. We'll also hopefully provide some interviews, and we'll certainly provide some out-of-print MP3s and other goodies from time to time. Please post comments to encourage us to maintain the blog, and feel free to point us in the right direction if you come across something we should link to.
"A waterfall fell on an optical atlas/
What was, remains the same/
It took up residence..."