Great Lakes has hit its tenth anniversary. The band--Ben Crum and Dan Donahue--formed in 1996 in Athens, although Ben and Dan had known each other since high school. As a trio (with Jamey Huggins from Of Montreal), they released a self-titled first album during Kindercore's peak period, an album that still stands out as one of the most distinguished in that label's catalog, an addictive selection of psychedelic pop songs that flow together cohesively. Their sophomore album (released on Orange Twin around the time of Kindercore's collapse), The Distance Between, collected singles, rarities, and cover songs, and has a greater emphasis on rock, notably on the energetic "Sister City" and the extended jam that closes the album, "Conquistadors." The band has since relocated to Brooklyn, and are about to release an eagerly-anticipated third album, Diamond Times. Ben Crum agreed to answer 6 questions about the new album, his creative relationship with Dan, and an aloof painting.

1) All I know about your new album is that Empyrean is releasing it this year. I'm curious who appears on the record and how the music compares with your previous work.

These people appear on the new album: Dottie Alexander, Jeff Baron, Kevin Barnes, Tim Barnes, Dave Carey, Matt Crowe, Anne Cunningham, BP Helium, Jamey Huggins, Jay Israelson, Heather McIntosh, Gary Olson, Brian Slattery, Matt Stoessel, Jeff Winesett, and Chris Ziter.
The main difference in "who played what" with this album is that Jeff Baron played probably 2/3 of the lead guitar on the record. In the past that would have been pretty much 99% me. I like his playing a lot and I think it gives the record a more "accomplished" sound.
But as to how the record sounds stylistically--with the first record I was going for something more 60s pop and more psychedelic, but with this one I tried to make it more organic and natural sounding. Or, I didn't so much try as it was just a natural thing for me.

2) Can you describe how you and Dan became involved with Elephant 6, and your thoughts on the collective in general?

Well, we were living in Athens, in the midst of all that stuff. And we just fell in with that. It fit with what we were doing and we were influenced by it at the same time. It was hard not to be. Plus Robert Schneider helped mix our first record, and he was a big proponent of having us "on the team" or whatever. But I don't think Great Lakes has ever been considered a true Elephant 6 band by your average die-hard Elephant 6 fan, or even by those of us in the band.

3) How does your collaboration with Dan work? On your last album, he's credited for the lyrics, while you have lead vocals, so I'm wondering how clear-cut are the boundaries when you're assembling the music.

Well, Dan is purely a lyricist. He doesn't really write or play music, or sing. We're both 32 now, and we've been writing songs together since we were 16. Half our lives. He writes lyrics and I put them to music. Sometimes I'll bring him a piece of music and he'll write lyrics for it, or vice versa. But these days we'll hang out and he'll show me some lyrics he's come up with and I'll try to put them to music on the spot, with him there. We've realized over the years that that tends to work best for us. That way we can communicate during the process. I don't necessarily like to talk to him too much about what the lyrics "mean." Or what he means by them. I find it's better for me to sing them from a personal interpretation. That way it means something for him, for me, and for the listener--which may all be the same, or may be totally different.

4) How long do you work on a song before you know it's finished?

I feel like the music I write that I like the most usually comes really fast. And a lot of times the lyrics too. But, also, there have been many times when Dan was revising and editing right up to the moment when I recorded the vocal. So it varies.

5) "Virgl" is one of my favorite Great Lakes songs, so indulge me. I remember on the old Kindercore website there was an actual Virgl painting shown, which the song describes perfectly. Which came first, and can you talk about the origins of the song, if not the production, which seems pretty elaborate?

Dan bought that painting at a flea market and we all just flipped out about it. It hung in our house on Ruth Street for a long time. That song is the one Great Lakes song which Jamey Huggins wrote the music for. He and Dan collaborated on the lyrics. I think Jamey had been working on that music for a long time, stringing all the parts together. He was always writing these long, epic pieces of music, and he never really finished them or made real recordings of a lot of them. I'm glad we got this one down, though. Production-wise, that was done right at the end of the first album. I'd been using a TASCAM 38 8-track, but towards the end of recording the first album we added a beautiful-sounding TEAC 40-4 reel-to-reel 4-track to the studio. By the time we were recording "Virgl" we'd gotten pretty good at experimenting with compression and with hitting the tape at certain levels to get certain sounds during the submixing process. I think it shows in that recording.

6) The Distance Between has a number of cover songs, which span a wide variety of music; is this a fair glimpse of your influences? Certainly the band reminds me of the Zombies.

Yeah, there are three covers on there. I just recorded some songs I liked because Dan and I weren't writing a lot of songs at that time. I guess they do say something about our influences. The Bee Gees I like a lot. I've always liked the Linda Ronstadt version of that Michael Nesmith song ["Some of Shelley's Blues"]. And, yes, the Zombies were definitely a big influence. But my biggest influence is probably The Band. I'm not sure you always hear it in the music, but it's there. It's mostly a feel thing.

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Diamond Times is tentatively set for release this summer from Empyrean Records. You can listen to songs from the album now by visiting the Great Lakes MySpace page.

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Mar 18 2006, 8:00PM
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